Inactive Plugins - How do they affect the active pub?
Quote from rcohen on November 16, 2021, 7:23 amI was installing some plugins lately when I noticed that one of the apps I'm working on, started crashing upon exit. I thought it was my code so I changed a few things and nothing seemed to matter. Long story short, I discovered in my windows error logs that the problem was one of the plugins in my list (installed) but NOT used in the current app. I uninstalled the plugin and the problem went away.
How does a plugin that isn't being used affect the current pub? I haven't tested it out in a compiled application so it might be just in the IDE, but .... I'm still interested in how this can occur.
Thanks
I was installing some plugins lately when I noticed that one of the apps I'm working on, started crashing upon exit. I thought it was my code so I changed a few things and nothing seemed to matter. Long story short, I discovered in my windows error logs that the problem was one of the plugins in my list (installed) but NOT used in the current app. I uninstalled the plugin and the problem went away.
How does a plugin that isn't being used affect the current pub? I haven't tested it out in a compiled application so it might be just in the IDE, but .... I'm still interested in how this can occur.
Thanks
Quote from HPW on November 16, 2021, 9:21 amHello,
The IDE loads all installed and aktive plugins on Startup.
(They are registered so you can insert the actions in the actions)
So on shutdown it calls the plugins about exiting. When this is method is buggy in the plugin then you get that error.
Deaktivated plugins does not affect the IDE at all. Only a storage in the registry.
Regards
Hans-Peter
Hello,
The IDE loads all installed and aktive plugins on Startup.
(They are registered so you can insert the actions in the actions)
So on shutdown it calls the plugins about exiting. When this is method is buggy in the plugin then you get that error.
Deaktivated plugins does not affect the IDE at all. Only a storage in the registry.
Regards
Hans-Peter
Quote from PaulJonestindall on November 16, 2021, 1:00 pmI've noticed this also with several plugins. With some of them I can't run anything in debug mode.
Too bad too. Some of them seem like very useful plugins.
I've noticed this also with several plugins. With some of them I can't run anything in debug mode.
Too bad too. Some of them seem like very useful plugins.
Quote from Vadim on November 16, 2021, 1:16 pm@pauljonestindall @rcohen
Please tell us the name and version of the plugins, so that their authors can check and correct errors.
Please tell us the name and version of the plugins, so that their authors can check and correct errors.
Quote from PaulJonestindall on November 16, 2021, 1:52 pm@vadim
It's been quite a while but as I recall asCalender was one that would not work with NeoBook. I haven't even tried it with VisualNeo.
It's been quite a while but as I recall asCalender was one that would not work with NeoBook. I haven't even tried it with VisualNeo.
Quote from PaulJonestindall on November 16, 2021, 2:38 pm@vadim
Yes, it happens with asCalendar and asDateTime in VisualNeo also.
Yes, it happens with asCalendar and asDateTime in VisualNeo also.
Quote from rcohen on November 16, 2021, 7:55 pmThe plugin I was talking about is one that is under development, and the author has been informed. Thanks.
Thanks for the explanation @hpw.
The plugin I was talking about is one that is under development, and the author has been informed. Thanks.
Thanks for the explanation @hpw.
Quote from albertomeyer on November 16, 2021, 11:48 pmI've been producing plugins since 2001. It's been almost 21 years. Some technologies are very outdated, so it's very important that these bugs are reported so that they can be corrected as far as possible.
I've been producing plugins since 2001. It's been almost 21 years. Some technologies are very outdated, so it's very important that these bugs are reported so that they can be corrected as far as possible.
Quote from Vadim on November 17, 2021, 11:39 am@pauljonestindall @rcohen
Thanks so much for the posts! Alberto (@albertomeyer) is absolutely right!!! It's extremely important to report bugs in plugins!!! This is the only way to really help improve them. If you notice a bug (or assume that the observed behavior may be due to a bug) - be sure to report in the thread for that plugin or in a separate thread, if there is no thread to discuss the plugin yet (in that case, the thread can be named simply the name of the plugin). This will allow others to test the problem, and it will help the author to eliminate the error.
Yes, it happens with asCalendar and asDateTime in VisualNeo also.
I will try to reproduce the problem in mine. @pauljonestindall, can you tell me more precisely at what point and how the problem manifests itself? A little more information so I can try to reproduce it.
Thanks so much for the posts! Alberto (@albertomeyer) is absolutely right!!! It's extremely important to report bugs in plugins!!! This is the only way to really help improve them. If you notice a bug (or assume that the observed behavior may be due to a bug) - be sure to report in the thread for that plugin or in a separate thread, if there is no thread to discuss the plugin yet (in that case, the thread can be named simply the name of the plugin). This will allow others to test the problem, and it will help the author to eliminate the error.
Yes, it happens with asCalendar and asDateTime in VisualNeo also.
I will try to reproduce the problem in mine. @pauljonestindall, can you tell me more precisely at what point and how the problem manifests itself? A little more information so I can try to reproduce it.
Quote from PaulJonestindall on November 17, 2021, 12:06 pm@vadim @albertomeyer @rcohen
In my case, both of these plugins whether I use them in a PUB or not, if they are installed, when I try to run a PUB in debug mode, the debug window will show with absolutely nothing in it, the splash screen will display and the program hangs. Typically I have to use Task Manager to end it.
Now, here's the peculiar part. If I install the plugin and run the demo for the first time, it seems to run well. I might even be able to work on another PUB, for the moment. But after one or two uses of VNW, it will hang like I described. I can't seem to pinpoint the event or the time this will happen. However if I remove the plugin, everything works normally again. And I don't have to restart VNW.
Also, I do use VNW a lot for various projects that need specialized programs. I will leave VNW running, switching between projects, for days or even a week at a time. Could there be possible causes here by not clearing it from memory often enough?
I do try to report bugs when I can but sometimes the timing is off and I don't seem to be able to get back to it in a timely manner. Thanks for replying and giving an opportunity to finally get around to this.
In my case, both of these plugins whether I use them in a PUB or not, if they are installed, when I try to run a PUB in debug mode, the debug window will show with absolutely nothing in it, the splash screen will display and the program hangs. Typically I have to use Task Manager to end it.
Now, here's the peculiar part. If I install the plugin and run the demo for the first time, it seems to run well. I might even be able to work on another PUB, for the moment. But after one or two uses of VNW, it will hang like I described. I can't seem to pinpoint the event or the time this will happen. However if I remove the plugin, everything works normally again. And I don't have to restart VNW.
Also, I do use VNW a lot for various projects that need specialized programs. I will leave VNW running, switching between projects, for days or even a week at a time. Could there be possible causes here by not clearing it from memory often enough?
I do try to report bugs when I can but sometimes the timing is off and I don't seem to be able to get back to it in a timely manner. Thanks for replying and giving an opportunity to finally get around to this.
Quote from rcohen on November 17, 2021, 4:29 pmQuote from PaulJonestindall on November 17, 2021, 12:06 pm@vadim @albertomeyer @rcohen
Also, I do use VNW a lot for various projects that need specialized programs. I will leave VNW running, switching between projects, for days or even a week at a time. Could there be possible causes here by not clearing it from memory often enough?
Smells like a memory leak?
Quote from PaulJonestindall on November 17, 2021, 12:06 pmAlso, I do use VNW a lot for various projects that need specialized programs. I will leave VNW running, switching between projects, for days or even a week at a time. Could there be possible causes here by not clearing it from memory often enough?
Smells like a memory leak?
Quote from Vadim on November 18, 2021, 9:43 pm@pauljonestindall
@rcohen
Try just disable one of the plugins. Andrei says a simple plugin conflict is possible. A memory leak error would look different. An innovation in the latest version of VisualNEO Win allows you to easily disable unused plugins for a while.
I'll check that later, too.
Try just disable one of the plugins. Andrei says a simple plugin conflict is possible. A memory leak error would look different. An innovation in the latest version of VisualNEO Win allows you to easily disable unused plugins for a while.
I'll check that later, too.