Quote from luishp on February 10, 2020, 2:43 pm

Are we allowed to post about software we've developed?

Of course, I even encourage you to do so!
If you want a more prominent visibility just write an article and I will publish it on our blog. Take a look at this one:

https://visualneo.com/visualneo-win/success-case-clue-adventures-scape-rooms

Thank you!

Quote from rocote on February 10, 2020, 6:08 pm

Thanks to you VWatson... Nice work!

This is another good reason for the company to keep on working on VisualNeo Win.  Hope for a new version soon! :)

Actually, I use both VisualNeoWin and Web.  They are both completely different.  But very interesting.

Regards,

Roger :)

Quote from mazzu001 on February 10, 2020, 6:50 pm

vwatson, greay job! I love it when people share the apps they make with VisualNeo Win. I have 2 apps in certification at windows store. When they are published on windows store I cant wait to share them here also. I am doing everything possible to encourage the growth of VisualNeo Win. I cant wait to see more of your windows apps in the future!

Quote from vwatson on February 10, 2020, 6:53 pm

I hope it is udated also. I've tried to switch to something else - tried Xojo, VB, several versions of Basic, and a variety of primarily gaming languages, but none are as powerful and easy to use as VisualNeo Win with the database and other plugins.

Quote from vwatson on February 10, 2020, 8:30 pm

@mazzu001, what kind of apps are they?

Quote from mazzu001 on February 11, 2020, 1:48 am

Quote from vwatson on February 10, 2020, 6:53 pm

I hope it is udated also. I've tried to switch to something else - tried Xojo, VB, several versions of Basic, and a variety of primarily gaming languages, but none are as powerful and easy to use as VisualNeo Win with the database and other plugins.

I have messed around with those too. I do a little work with Visual Studio. But the last few releases have just become increasingly complicated. I've tried dozens of RAD IDE's and absolutely nothing offers the depth of power with ease of use as VisualNeo, Coupled with DbPro and the amazing plugins by the awesome devs in the forum and seriously. Nothing touches VisualNeo Win.

Quote from mazzu001 on February 11, 2020, 1:54 am

Quote from vwatson on February 10, 2020, 8:30 pm

@mazzu001, what kind of apps are they?

@vwatson One is a sound library focused on youtube content creators. It has over 3000 sounds files including thousands of sounds effects and music beds, loops and intros. I used to work in Radio as a producer and there are no options aside from very expensive options, for average users to access professionally produced sounds. Its available at www.mazzacom.com and if you want top test it out shoot me a message and I will let you have access to a free account for a month. Its rocking a few thousand subscribers and is presently in the process of being certified for the Microsoft Store (can take weeks)

 

The other one is a digital setlist manager with access to a lyrics database. So musicians can easily make set lists, edit them how they like. Even broadcast the setlist to band members with the app so they can see the setlist, which song they are on and the lyrics for that song by just joining the broadcast. It will be sent for certification in a week or two. I am working on the graphics pack needed for a MSIX upload for the Microsoft Store

Quote from vwatson on February 11, 2020, 3:34 am

Looks impressive! That's all done in VisualNeo Win?

Quote from rocote on February 11, 2020, 3:35 am

I like both VisualNeo application (Win & Web).  But for me, what I truly need is to be able to compile app into .exe (windows), .app (Mac) and mobile.   With VisualNeo Win, it can only publish app into .exe format.  Now, if the company stop upgrading it, with the time, people like me will look for something else to publish in .exe because others companies are adding new features to their software.  I believe this is why VisualNeo Win has to survive by adding new features to this software.

On the other hand, VisualNeo Web can publish application in .exe and for mobile, but not .app (Mac) for the moment.  With a little push of the company, if VisualNeo Web come up with this feature (publish Mac app), the software will be up to date and a very good RAD competitor on the market.  Just imagine now, if VisualNeo Web can publish for IOS.

Great programmer like to work into new technology.  I can understand that.  VisualNeo Win (NeoBook) has been for a long time  on the market.  The technology is quite old a bit.  Time is needed to upgrade the software.  But a question come up to my mind.  What it the goal of the company?  I think it has to do with developing software easy to used  (RAD) for anyone. Ya ...  After all, the result is quite important for people and time consuming is also important.  To be able to do something fast is quite special for ordinary people like me.

I think, with a little push to the software, little by little and with time, the company can achieve good result with VisualNeo Win.

After all, "How can we do big things in life?*, It is by doing small ones and keep on going doing it. Right?

Quote from mazzu001 on February 11, 2020, 4:48 am

Quote from vwatson on February 11, 2020, 3:34 am

Looks impressive! That's all done in VisualNeo Win?

@vwatson Yes ma'am. I mean the website I designed myself in an HTML editor and a graphics designer but yes the app is all done in VisualNeo Win. SoundTube isnt even the big one. The SetList app is much bigger in scope. If I can get a Beta together I may post here if you are interested to see it before it goes live.

Quote from mazzu001 on February 11, 2020, 5:10 am

@rocote

I agree with you. However I believe that creating a RAD that can build to multiple platforms would be incredibly intensive. I don't do anything nearly that complex but I can only imagine how hard it would be. It is easy to see that VisualNeo Web is getting all the attention right now. And I cant say I blame the Devs. Web technologies bring a much wider audience to the table. If you have an internet connection, then you can use the app, whether your on an apple or Android or Windows PC.

To be able to make VisualNeo Win able to "compile" to .app for apple would, I imagine, very very difficult. With that said, I fear for the future of VisualNeo Win. Web technologies being far reaching (so many devices can use your app) means that there a billion other RAD IDE's for web technologies. A simple search for "web app builder" will bring a million different online and install based solutions. I mean absolutely no disrespect as I am a VERY loyal VisualNeo (NeoBook) fan, but VisualNeo Web is going to have a hard time not being white noise in a sea of competitors.

In my opinion, VisualNeo Win appeals to a smaller demographic, but there's almost zero competition. Whereas VisualNeo Web has a million competitors with new ones arising every day. I hope there is value left in VisualNeo Win that the team updates it soon. I am developing some very impressive apps (if I may say so) with VisualNeo Win and I am sharing VisualNeo Win on all my social platforms and trying everything I can to draw attention to it. I have a couple cousins who (I hope) have recently purchased (or at least downloaded the trial) of VisualNeo Win. Share VisualNeo Win as much as you can, let the devs know its still worth developing. It really is partially up to us to keep it alive.

Quote from vwatson on February 11, 2020, 5:34 am

The closest I've ever found to VisualNeo Win is a program called AutoPlay Media Studio. I'm not meaning to point people toward it, because I think VisualNeo Win is better as well as cheaper. I agree with mazzu001, there's little competition in the realm of  Windows exe RAD software.

With some updates, I think VisualNeo Win could be the leader. I'm not sure why it's not better known. Autoplay currently seems to have a larger user base, hard to tell though. I recently downloaded their trial version. The interface is more polished, but it crashed on me while I was simply resizing an object on a page. The database capabilities don't seem nearly as advanced. Lua is the scripting language. There's no built-in drag and drop recognition as there already is in NeoWin.

Obviously NeoWin is very capable in its current form, but hopefully it will get a facelift and new features at some point. :)

 

Quote from Vadim on February 11, 2020, 9:12 pm

Friends! Yes, I believe VNwin has everything you need. Except for the "web browser" object, which is out of date. But this problem will be resolved over time.
VNwin can confidently evolve using plugins. If you are missing some functions, write which of them are really missing (that is, without them it is impossible to realize your idea). Perhaps this call will be interesting and a new plugin will appear.
VNwin should continue to evolve along the long-chosen path of integrating complex things into the form of simple commands. Then the neo-booker will be able to focus on the logic of the user's work with the program, and not on the logic of ensuring the operation of the program. It seems to me that this path is absolutely correct. This is what makes programming accessible to non-programmers.
For cross-platform applications, VNweb is the best. And VNweb is developing dynamically, and also in the right direction, simplifying complex processes for users as much as possible. We see how Luis is doing a great job creating new off-the-shelf parts for future applications. This simplicity for the user is a great difficulty for the developer. I am very pleased to see how VNwin and VNweb are developing using plugins - new universal parts are created for any project!

You and I have nothing to be sad about! :)

Quote from rocote on February 11, 2020, 10:06 pm

Hi Vadim, I have a suggestion for VisualNeo Win as a new feature.

How about a new tool bar with lots of material as, (icons, buttons, FadeButtons, PngButton, Labels, pngPanel, Shapes, images, BackgrdImages, Panel, Bullet etc....

I am sending you a zip files with 11 exemples from another software on the market. I used winzip for Mac to compress the file.

Let me know what you think about the idea fellows. You like it or not whatever.  Thanks!

So I hope you would be able to open it on a PC.

I think this would be nice to add to VisualNeo Win.

Also, tell me if I'm wrong, but it would be nice if VisualNeo Win could publish in HTML 5 (web page) like VisualNeo Web.  Most of the RAD on the market can do it.

Also, in communication (email, FTp and server) maybe something can be done to be more flexible in this area. No?  Maybe?

In the drawing and animation area, I'm sure there is something to be done to have more option.

How about to be able to import 3D graphic like 3ds, .max, etc... or vectors from illustrator.  I wish to be able to make animation.  Some extra tutorial on add-on would be nice.

It would be nice to add text or other objects into an imported video in VisualNeo Win.  The video could be edit and than save on the computer with all extra material added to it.

It would be nice to upload a video or images directly to Facebook.

It would be nice to import a video directly from Youtube into VisualNeo Win.

I know there is separated software who can do some of the job I'm talking about.  But, if VisualNeo could do some of the job without to open other softwares, that is a (+).  It would be unique and original.  A software that help people to develop their software should be able to do lots of things.

VisualNeo Win could be see as: Multimedia Software Developpement Utility (MSDU). :)

Anyway, I'm trying here to help.

Cya...

Quote from vwatson on February 11, 2020, 11:30 pm

"the neo-booker will be able to focus on the logic of the user's work with the program, and not on the logic of ensuring the operation of the program." @Vadim

That's exactly what I like about it. :)

 

Quote from rocote on February 12, 2020, 1:30 am

Anyway, just hope for the best.

Quote from Vadim on February 12, 2020, 9:06 am

Hi Roger!
I also really love VNwin (this is my favorite program!) And I am very happy about your desire to help it develop!
However, for development it is important to distinguish between the really necessary and perhaps sometime useful.

If you try to continue your thought, then VNwin should do without an operating system. Why doesn't she have her own operating system? :)
There are reasonable limits in the development of program functions related to its purpose.
Graphic editors are not required to compile executable files. Also, the programming environment is not required to have the functions of a photo and video editor.
Too many non-core functions will make it difficult to learn a program that should be available to a beginner in programming.

How about a new tool bar with lots of material as, (icons, buttons, FadeButtons, PngButton, Labels, pngPanel, Shapes, images, BackgrdImages, Panel, Bullet etc ....

If I understand correctly, then all this is already in VNwin or can be created using other objects.

It is extremely important to understand exactly what exactly you really lack for your real project.
For example, write how Matt does it, saying that I’m doing this and don’t know how to do it. Then there is something to talk about.
And so it turns out a lot of wishes without specifics.
As for the icons (I looked at your zip archive), that is, collections. For example, a huge collection of free icons for your buttons and menus for all occasions, download here: https://www.fatcow.com/free-icons

Also, tell me if I'm wrong, but it would be nice if VisualNeo Win could publish in HTML 5 (web page) like VisualNeo Web. Most of the RAD on the market can do it.

I agree that if VNwin and VNweb were the same program, it would be cooler. However, we have to consider the limitations of different technologies.
At present, it is quite realistic to use two programs for different purposes. Both of them are affordable and use the same programming language (with slight differences).
In addition, for the development of the programming environment, it is important to understand where the programming world is evolving. It moves towards web applications.
They are independent of the operating system and provide much more. In the future, the web application will be able to run as successfully on the local computer as the Windows program does now.
However, VNwin will be relevant as long as Windows exists! This means that VNwin will be alive for many more years! The main thing is that it supports new versions of Windows.

Also, in communication (email, FTP and server) maybe something can be done to be more flexible in this area.

There are functions for working with e-mail (you can send letters), for working with FTP there are plug-ins.
I repeat, because it is important: write, what kind of function do you really lack for your real project.
You do something and stop. You can’t move forward without some kind of function. This must be said.
Otherwise, we risk filling up Luis with unnecessary work.

And for animation, graphics, and even for 3D, there are various options available (including plugins).
Look at the collection of plugins, for example, on my online course (in the Resources section): https://distant.orgpsiholog.ru/course/view.php?id=20

It would be nice to add text or other objects into an imported video in VisualNeo Win. The video could be edit and than save on the computer with all extra material added to it.

You can do it all with VNwin itself. You can overlay text, images, on top of the video and save everything as an EXE file.

It would be nice to upload videos or images directly to Facebook.

I didn’t check, but I think that if you wish, you can write such an add-on in VNwin and put its shortcut in the VNwin Tools menu.

It would be nice to import a video directly from Youtube into VisualNeo Win.

You can display videos from Youtube right now in the web browser facility.

A software that help people to develop their software should be able to do lots of things.

VNwin allows you to do much more than we imagine :)
This is a complete programming environment for non-programmers.

Friends, I urge you not to build castles in the air, but to write about those restrictions that do not allow you to move forward in your real project.
Together we will solve any real problems :)

Quote from rocote on February 12, 2020, 5:08 pm

wow ...!

Listen, if you take a car, everything on it is the same since 1930.  But with the years, companies are using the same idea for a car, 4 wheels (old technology), a steering wheel (old technology again), 2 or 4 doors (old technology again) etc... but to sell their car, they add better components, they add new utilities like GPS (think of it as a new tool bar with graphic utilities), Sun Roof , (Serius XM), Bluetooth, AUX (phone charger)... At the end, we still have a car but with more and better utilities for the customer.  no? yes?

You said: If you try to continue your thought, then VNwin should do without an operating system. Why doesn't she have her own operating system?

You really think I am exaggerating in my thought?   I don't think so my friend.  I'm in a position to say the same thing about your thought Vadim.

Everything I have suggested is UTILITIES to add to VNwin.  Everything I have suggested are already in many RAD softwares on the market.  If the programmers want to put better pieces of equipment inside of their car (VNwin),  it is up to them.  But what is going on outside and surrounding the car is up to  the customers.  Utilities add to the car (VNwin) make peoples buy it.

If you think I am a dreamer, like LENNON said, I'm not the only one.

But one thing I can say, if you really believe what you are saying and thinking,  VisualNeo Web will end up like VisualNeo Win.  VisualNeo Web will be old technology one day just like VisualNeo Win is, if you decide so.  Are you going to put away another software again?

There is not only the web today. Yes, it is becoming more popular, but staying on the ground is still important and will ever be. I see the web as an extra.  Good, there is a new software in the block, but are you going to forget the other one because the new one is better?  What is the definition of the word BETTER for the company?  And how about the customer?

Let's be honest, I do really think that it is a manner of income for the company.  I do really also think that VisualNeo Win doesn't bring enough income to survive.

I also think that I am not overloading LUIS with some ideas.  LUIS is one of the most intelligent person I have met in the industry.  After all, VisualNeo Win has been reborn with a new name last summer and it is like a child for LUIS.

But, please let LUIS decide by himself if I am overloading him with ideas unuseful.

If it is the case, it will be  better for me stoping using VisualNeo Win and VisualNeo Web because I know how it will end up.

I just hope both has success.  If VisualNeoWin has a registration like VisualNEO Web, it will probably be impossible to crack the software.  This way, the company will have a better income and the software will grow with time and comeback in power.

After all, why changing the name of the software if it is not to become better?

 

Quote from mazzu001 on February 12, 2020, 6:56 pm

Hi @rocote

I totally get all your points. VSWin can really use a facelift to look more modern. As far as functionality goes VSWin can do a lot more than one sees at first glance. And I hope miscommunication was not a problem in this thread as I have gotten to know Vadim a little bit and I am certain he would never mean to down talk anyone's ideas or suggestions, I have found that much can be misunderstood due to the language barrier. But I know that Vadim is a very respectful and smart individual. I hope you were not offended by anything he said as I am absolutely certain he meant no disrespect.

VSWin needs to maintain that balance between functionality and ease of use. To give an extreme example I could put out a simple text editor and call it a fully featured Web App Developer as you could type in all your code in the text editor and save the file. boom there's your web app. But that's just pure coding and that's anything but fun. Then at the other end of that scale you get WYSIWYG editors which make it extremely easy to get something that looks good but adding functionality will require coding and some programming understanding. So VSWin's real challenge here is finding a way to make something easy to use but still have the ability to add functionality.

Personally I LOVE the graphics part. When I make an app I get it all working first. During that phase my app looks like a really square picaso painting. But when the functionality is working as intended, that's when I move into the graphic development part of it. I use a different graphics program which I wont mention here as it may be competition to PixelNeo. Then I start putting graphics together. For me this is the most fun part.

Yes the future of any business depends on money. That's just the cold hard facts of doing business. VSWin does not have a huge user base. So I understand that's why we are not seeing much in the way of development. I don't like it, but I do understand it. The best thing we can do to help is promote VSWin. Tell your friends, tell your family members. I even bought a copy for my daughter, who doesn't program EVER.... like ever. I don't think shes used it even once. But get people involved. Everyone you can. If there is a bigger user base, this will motivate Luis to update VSWin.