VisualNeo Win Program - Forever Words
Quote from rocote on February 12, 2020, 7:11 pmmazzu001, nice talking. You are a good person.
You see, what can be add to a software to be better? I think the few things I have suggested are some of them. What else can be done, depend of the programmers I guess. But everything I have suggested are welcome utilizes to make the software a new face lift like you said. :). My suggestions are some that come from a customer.
I didn't use VisualNeo Win and Web as long as you or some other people in this forum. But not because I am not a long time user that my suggestion are not useful. Anything that can be add to a software, is a welcome if these utilities can speed up the work of a person.
The learning curve as to do with how the software is built up. I tried some of the RAD on the market before buying VisualNEO Web, and some of them has most of the features I have suggested. And they were very easy to learn and to use.
Like I said, let the user decide the learning curve and let the programmer decide what it is good or not for the software.
If the programmer welcome the customers idea, good!!! If not, well it is their choice and the result will come with it.
Yes, I understand the communication problem. My English is not that bad, but I can feel the words and the path of a people idea.
Anyway, I'm in a position now not to suggest anything else unless someone in the company ask me to do so.
Good day and good luck to VisualNeo and the company!
mazzu001, nice talking. You are a good person.
You see, what can be add to a software to be better? I think the few things I have suggested are some of them. What else can be done, depend of the programmers I guess. But everything I have suggested are welcome utilizes to make the software a new face lift like you said. :). My suggestions are some that come from a customer.
I didn't use VisualNeo Win and Web as long as you or some other people in this forum. But not because I am not a long time user that my suggestion are not useful. Anything that can be add to a software, is a welcome if these utilities can speed up the work of a person.
The learning curve as to do with how the software is built up. I tried some of the RAD on the market before buying VisualNEO Web, and some of them has most of the features I have suggested. And they were very easy to learn and to use.
Like I said, let the user decide the learning curve and let the programmer decide what it is good or not for the software.
If the programmer welcome the customers idea, good!!! If not, well it is their choice and the result will come with it.
Yes, I understand the communication problem. My English is not that bad, but I can feel the words and the path of a people idea.
Anyway, I'm in a position now not to suggest anything else unless someone in the company ask me to do so.
Good day and good luck to VisualNeo and the company!
Quote from vwatson on February 12, 2020, 7:37 pmI'm always looking at things from an educational perspective - whether using it to create something educational or educational in itself. I think VisualNeo Win is both.
It could have been a great teaching tool for programming at a junior high or high school level, but that ship may have passed. I'm not sure how many schools are still using PCs.
Neo Win goes beyond most languages/ides because it can be used for basic game stuff as well as business applications. It's a bit slow for more complex games, but would be an easy way to get started.
I've taught python classes before and currently have a python video course, but Neo Win is much more fun.
I'm always looking at things from an educational perspective - whether using it to create something educational or educational in itself. I think VisualNeo Win is both.
It could have been a great teaching tool for programming at a junior high or high school level, but that ship may have passed. I'm not sure how many schools are still using PCs.
Neo Win goes beyond most languages/ides because it can be used for basic game stuff as well as business applications. It's a bit slow for more complex games, but would be an easy way to get started.
I've taught python classes before and currently have a python video course, but Neo Win is much more fun.
Quote from luishp on February 12, 2020, 7:44 pmHi everyone, I have carefully read all your comments and opinions.
Thank you very much for loving this software as much as I do.
As you know this is a personal project within my company and I have to deal with a lot of other projects too.
I do what I can and sometimes a bit more. VisualNEO Win is based in a very old compiler and libraries, also it's composed of thousands of files and has not any "developers manual", so it's quite difficult to undertand the code (I'm not the original developer). Right now I'm a lot more productive enhancing VisualNEO Web but I hope to have more resources in the future to deal with VisualNEO Win too.
I know both Win and Web are incredible tools but I need to convince the rest of the world out there :)
My best wishes and thank you all again.
Hi everyone, I have carefully read all your comments and opinions.
Thank you very much for loving this software as much as I do.
As you know this is a personal project within my company and I have to deal with a lot of other projects too.
I do what I can and sometimes a bit more. VisualNEO Win is based in a very old compiler and libraries, also it's composed of thousands of files and has not any "developers manual", so it's quite difficult to undertand the code (I'm not the original developer). Right now I'm a lot more productive enhancing VisualNEO Web but I hope to have more resources in the future to deal with VisualNEO Win too.
I know both Win and Web are incredible tools but I need to convince the rest of the world out there :)
My best wishes and thank you all again.
Quote from rocote on February 12, 2020, 7:46 pmI use to be a teacher in High School too. I also look at VisualNeo Win to help me in an educational perpective too. I use it now to create a video application for my music videos I put on Facebook.
I use to be a teacher in High School too. I also look at VisualNeo Win to help me in an educational perpective too. I use it now to create a video application for my music videos I put on Facebook.
Quote from Vadim on February 12, 2020, 8:06 pmYes, Matt is absolutely right about the language barrier. I do not know English and use google translator. And he is still not as good as we would like. Often he distorts even names.
I really appreciate the positive atmosphere of mutual assistance at the forum and of course I did not want to offend anyone.
Each of us has his own idea of how VNwin can develop and this must be shared. It helps everyone better understand expectations and opportunities.
By the way, I am also a teacher :). For several years, I have made "Fundamentals of Programming for Humanities" one of the subjects for students. University of Tyumen approved the curriculum that I proposed. The entire semester course is built on VNwin :), and the main guide is my online VNwin course. I believe that VNwin is the best way to learn programming (from about 14 years old)!
We will convince the world together! :)
Yes, Matt is absolutely right about the language barrier. I do not know English and use google translator. And he is still not as good as we would like. Often he distorts even names.
I really appreciate the positive atmosphere of mutual assistance at the forum and of course I did not want to offend anyone.
Each of us has his own idea of how VNwin can develop and this must be shared. It helps everyone better understand expectations and opportunities.
By the way, I am also a teacher :). For several years, I have made "Fundamentals of Programming for Humanities" one of the subjects for students. University of Tyumen approved the curriculum that I proposed. The entire semester course is built on VNwin :), and the main guide is my online VNwin course. I believe that VNwin is the best way to learn programming (from about 14 years old)!
We will convince the world together! :)
Quote from as3856 on February 12, 2020, 8:32 pmVadim was also embarrassed to say that he has the title of assistant professor. Although I don’t know if there is an analogue of such a title in Europe ...
Sorry to interfere in the conversation ...
Regards
Andrei(as3856)
Vadim was also embarrassed to say that he has the title of assistant professor. Although I don’t know if there is an analogue of such a title in Europe ...
Sorry to interfere in the conversation ...
Regards
Andrei(as3856)
Quote from rocote on February 12, 2020, 8:44 pmI use to follow the NeoBook course of Vadim. Actually, I'm registered to his site. I wonder if Vadim has his course in PDF?
I was busy to program and saw the new response from the forum.
Thanks for the feedback. I feel better.
I use to follow the NeoBook course of Vadim. Actually, I'm registered to his site. I wonder if Vadim has his course in PDF?
I was busy to program and saw the new response from the forum.
Thanks for the feedback. I feel better.
Quote from mazzu001 on February 12, 2020, 10:53 pmQuote from luishp on February 12, 2020, 7:44 pmHi everyone, I have carefully read all your comments and opinions.
Thank you very much for loving this software as much as I do.
As you know this is a personal project within my company and I have to deal with a lot of other projects too.
I do what I can and sometimes a bit more. VisualNEO Win is based in a very old compiler and libraries, also it's composed of thousands of files and has not any "developers manual", so it's quite difficult to undertand the code (I'm not the original developer). Right now I'm a lot more productive enhancing VisualNEO Web but I hope to have more resources in the future to deal with VisualNEO Win too.
I know both Win and Web are incredible tools but I need to convince the rest of the world out there :)
My best wishes and thank you all again.I am doing everything I can to spread the word. I want VNWin to thrive. I cant say enough about the void that it fills. There are so few RAD IDE's out there with the simplicity and at the same time the depth VNWin offers for Windows platform. There are tons of options for web apps but so little to choose from for Windows platform. I will continue to spread the word about VNWin every chance I get. Please know, Luis, There are very loyal users who love VNWin
Quote from luishp on February 12, 2020, 7:44 pmHi everyone, I have carefully read all your comments and opinions.
Thank you very much for loving this software as much as I do.
As you know this is a personal project within my company and I have to deal with a lot of other projects too.
I do what I can and sometimes a bit more. VisualNEO Win is based in a very old compiler and libraries, also it's composed of thousands of files and has not any "developers manual", so it's quite difficult to undertand the code (I'm not the original developer). Right now I'm a lot more productive enhancing VisualNEO Web but I hope to have more resources in the future to deal with VisualNEO Win too.
I know both Win and Web are incredible tools but I need to convince the rest of the world out there :)
My best wishes and thank you all again.
I am doing everything I can to spread the word. I want VNWin to thrive. I cant say enough about the void that it fills. There are so few RAD IDE's out there with the simplicity and at the same time the depth VNWin offers for Windows platform. There are tons of options for web apps but so little to choose from for Windows platform. I will continue to spread the word about VNWin every chance I get. Please know, Luis, There are very loyal users who love VNWin
Quote from vwatson on February 12, 2020, 11:00 pmSometimes things are cyclical. I don't know if that's the case here. I've never been good at predicting the technological future. I've been programming since the DOS days. I remember predicting at that time that Windows would never take off. :)
But, I am very tired of subscription-based software and software that requires me to be connected to the internet. Maybe there are enough others who feel the same way that there will eventually be a resurgence in non-connected software.
Sometimes things are cyclical. I don't know if that's the case here. I've never been good at predicting the technological future. I've been programming since the DOS days. I remember predicting at that time that Windows would never take off. :)
But, I am very tired of subscription-based software and software that requires me to be connected to the internet. Maybe there are enough others who feel the same way that there will eventually be a resurgence in non-connected software.
Quote from mazzu001 on February 13, 2020, 1:42 amQuote from vwatson on February 12, 2020, 11:00 pmSometimes things are cyclical. I don't know if that's the case here. I've never been good at predicting the technological future. I've been programming since the DOS days. I remember predicting at that time that Windows would never take off. :)
But, I am very tired of subscription-based software and software that requires me to be connected to the internet. Maybe there are enough others who feel the same way that there will eventually be a resurgence in non-connected software.
@vwatson
Well, the good news for windows developers is Microsofts Surface line of tablets outsold apple tablets last quarter (or was it the quarter before, I cant remember off hand) I feel under the current CEO Microsoft is approaching irrelevancy. He is laser focused on cloud everything. Azure is his baby and he is in danger of driving Microsoft into the backend. Still a company but one you've never heard of unless your a prgrammer like sun microsystems and the like.
Bad news is, I doubt software will depart from subscription based format. It is the necessary evil of today. As a developer I WANT my users to subscribe. One of my apps is .99 cents a month and you access a library of sound effects and music beds and loops etc. If I sell 10,000 copies of the software, that's great. But after the initial purchase explosion, your income dwindles greatly and upkeeping your data with fresh content (which requires time, which requires money) is fruitless. Software companies, and app designers for that matter, are greatly served by residual income. This enables the company to keep paying employees to keep making more software. Its a way to level out the playing field for the little guys. With subscription based apps and software you don't need a 10 million dollar bank roll for the first 5 years. Your income is residual. I doubt subscription based apps and software will go away. But I think if Microsoft rides the Surface wave we may have a larger audience soon
Quote from vwatson on February 12, 2020, 11:00 pmSometimes things are cyclical. I don't know if that's the case here. I've never been good at predicting the technological future. I've been programming since the DOS days. I remember predicting at that time that Windows would never take off. :)
But, I am very tired of subscription-based software and software that requires me to be connected to the internet. Maybe there are enough others who feel the same way that there will eventually be a resurgence in non-connected software.
Well, the good news for windows developers is Microsofts Surface line of tablets outsold apple tablets last quarter (or was it the quarter before, I cant remember off hand) I feel under the current CEO Microsoft is approaching irrelevancy. He is laser focused on cloud everything. Azure is his baby and he is in danger of driving Microsoft into the backend. Still a company but one you've never heard of unless your a prgrammer like sun microsystems and the like.
Bad news is, I doubt software will depart from subscription based format. It is the necessary evil of today. As a developer I WANT my users to subscribe. One of my apps is .99 cents a month and you access a library of sound effects and music beds and loops etc. If I sell 10,000 copies of the software, that's great. But after the initial purchase explosion, your income dwindles greatly and upkeeping your data with fresh content (which requires time, which requires money) is fruitless. Software companies, and app designers for that matter, are greatly served by residual income. This enables the company to keep paying employees to keep making more software. Its a way to level out the playing field for the little guys. With subscription based apps and software you don't need a 10 million dollar bank roll for the first 5 years. Your income is residual. I doubt subscription based apps and software will go away. But I think if Microsoft rides the Surface wave we may have a larger audience soon
Quote from vwatson on February 13, 2020, 2:11 amSubscription software makes sense when there are new, useful features, new content, support, etc.
My problem is with software that already does everything I need, and I don't need or want new, bloated features added that I will never use. The Affinity line of graphics software is an excellent case. Extremely reasonably priced and you own the software. I hope they're making a dent in Adobe. How many features can you possibly cram into Photoshop? It already does far more than the average person ever uses. I've weaned myself totally away from Adobe except for an old CS5 version of Photoshop (non-subscription).
I've always purchased software I find useful (way too much!). And I purchase upgrades when I find them useful, but I may skip a version or two before I do that.
In some ways I think the subscription model hurts developers. Rather than get oneself into yet another subscription, I think users may not purchase at all.
But, back to one of the original topics - I'd definitely pay for an upgrade to VisualNeo Win. :)
Subscription software makes sense when there are new, useful features, new content, support, etc.
My problem is with software that already does everything I need, and I don't need or want new, bloated features added that I will never use. The Affinity line of graphics software is an excellent case. Extremely reasonably priced and you own the software. I hope they're making a dent in Adobe. How many features can you possibly cram into Photoshop? It already does far more than the average person ever uses. I've weaned myself totally away from Adobe except for an old CS5 version of Photoshop (non-subscription).
I've always purchased software I find useful (way too much!). And I purchase upgrades when I find them useful, but I may skip a version or two before I do that.
In some ways I think the subscription model hurts developers. Rather than get oneself into yet another subscription, I think users may not purchase at all.
But, back to one of the original topics - I'd definitely pay for an upgrade to VisualNeo Win. :)
Quote from Vadim on February 13, 2020, 8:17 pm@rocote
Thank you for understanding!Yes, I have published two books about NeoBook (in Russian).
https://biblioclub.ru/index.php?page=book_red&id=450198
https://biblioclub.ru/index.php?page=book_red&id=486254They are in PDF format, but are already outdated, because their content is fully presented in the online course, and I am constantly improving the course. In addition, the course contains a lot more. For example, on the course there is a service for finding commands by meaning (including plug-in commands). There is a version of this service for windows written in VNwin (unfortunately only in Russian). The Google Chrome browser allows you to translate an online course into any language, but the quality of the translation is far from always satisfactory. The course was created under NeoBook. Gradually, I will redo it under VNwin.
I think that in order for more people to learn about VNwin, it is necessary to write articles and shoot videos (in all languages), post them on all possible resources, send them to computer science teachers, and do open lessons in schools and universities. Maybe combining this with a bike ride)). I try to do it.
Here is one of my articles on NeoBook: https://habr.com/en/post/451346/But much more different formats and types of information are required. Now about VNwin!
I really like VNwin and VNweb, I will continue to talk about them in my articles and videos in the future!
@rocote
Thank you for understanding!
Yes, I have published two books about NeoBook (in Russian).
https://biblioclub.ru/index.php?page=book_red&id=450198
https://biblioclub.ru/index.php?page=book_red&id=486254
They are in PDF format, but are already outdated, because their content is fully presented in the online course, and I am constantly improving the course. In addition, the course contains a lot more. For example, on the course there is a service for finding commands by meaning (including plug-in commands). There is a version of this service for windows written in VNwin (unfortunately only in Russian). The Google Chrome browser allows you to translate an online course into any language, but the quality of the translation is far from always satisfactory. The course was created under NeoBook. Gradually, I will redo it under VNwin.
I think that in order for more people to learn about VNwin, it is necessary to write articles and shoot videos (in all languages), post them on all possible resources, send them to computer science teachers, and do open lessons in schools and universities. Maybe combining this with a bike ride)). I try to do it.
Here is one of my articles on NeoBook: https://habr.com/en/post/451346/
But much more different formats and types of information are required. Now about VNwin!
I really like VNwin and VNweb, I will continue to talk about them in my articles and videos in the future!
Quote from rocote on February 13, 2020, 8:28 pmNo problem Vadim. It doesn't make you a bad person. You are an intelligent person. You know what, I also use Google translator sometime. Some expression in French are way different to say in English. So, I just hope my expression in French pass on good in English.
Hope you don't have to much snow in Russia. Here in Montreal, Canada we have quite a lots these days. February is always like that.
Take care!
Roger :)
No problem Vadim. It doesn't make you a bad person. You are an intelligent person. You know what, I also use Google translator sometime. Some expression in French are way different to say in English. So, I just hope my expression in French pass on good in English.
Hope you don't have to much snow in Russia. Here in Montreal, Canada we have quite a lots these days. February is always like that.
Take care!
Roger :)
Quote from Vadim on February 14, 2020, 9:33 amThanks Roger!
We have a very mild winter this year in Tyumen! But there is enough snow too :)
Today I’ll tell students what VisualNEO Win is being studied all over the world! :)
Thanks Roger!
We have a very mild winter this year in Tyumen! But there is enough snow too :)
Today I’ll tell students what VisualNEO Win is being studied all over the world! :)
Quote from mazzu001 on February 14, 2020, 6:05 pm@rocote
I didn't know you were from Montreal. I am from Canada as well. Although I live in the United States now. I am from the west coast (Just outside Vancouver). Nice to see a fellow Canuck here. Let me see if I can remember my high school french lol...
Bonjour Roger, Je M appelle Matt. Comment ça va? Je m’en sors tre bien.
Oh boy, my French is very rusty! lol. Anyways, still great to see another Canuck here.
I didn't know you were from Montreal. I am from Canada as well. Although I live in the United States now. I am from the west coast (Just outside Vancouver). Nice to see a fellow Canuck here. Let me see if I can remember my high school french lol...
Bonjour Roger, Je M appelle Matt. Comment ça va? Je m’en sors tre bien.
Oh boy, my French is very rusty! lol. Anyways, still great to see another Canuck here.
Quote from Gaev on February 14, 2020, 8:23 pmThis must be the most forked post on this forum !!!
I didn't know you were from Montreal. I am from Canada as well.
Nice to see a fellow Canuck here.Moi aussie ... but I am from Toronto ... so equally disliked in Montreal and Vancouver ... that is what happens when you
thinkknow that you live at the centre of the universe (just kidding).
This must be the most forked post on this forum !!!
I didn't know you were from Montreal. I am from Canada as well.
Nice to see a fellow Canuck here.
Moi aussie ... but I am from Toronto ... so equally disliked in Montreal and Vancouver ... that is what happens when you think know that you live at the centre of the universe (just kidding).
Quote from mazzu001 on February 15, 2020, 12:32 amQuote from Gaev on February 14, 2020, 8:23 pmThis must be the most forked post on this forum !!!
I didn't know you were from Montreal. I am from Canada as well.
Nice to see a fellow Canuck here.Moi aussie ... but I am from Toronto ... so equally disliked in Montreal and Vancouver ... that is what happens when you
thinkknow that you live at the centre of the universe (just kidding).Hahaha Gaev this cracked me up lol... but you weren't really kidding... were you..... :)
Quote from Gaev on February 14, 2020, 8:23 pmThis must be the most forked post on this forum !!!
I didn't know you were from Montreal. I am from Canada as well.
Nice to see a fellow Canuck here.Moi aussie ... but I am from Toronto ... so equally disliked in Montreal and Vancouver ... that is what happens when you
thinkknow that you live at the centre of the universe (just kidding).
Hahaha Gaev this cracked me up lol... but you weren't really kidding... were you..... :)